Why can AARP Talk and Humana is Gagged?

by Cayenne on September 30, 2009 · 11 comments

AARP is like a parrot for the government with ALL of the information they are presenting. Let me ask you, why are they allowed to give any information to Seniors?  Why?  Because we should have all the information but Humana and now the rest of the insurance industry (which is what AARP has become as well, an insurance company) have been put under a “Gag Order” by Max Baucus. You tell me why those companies that agree with Health Care Reform can write whatever they want but those that disagree are gagged? Another right being toss aside huh? Freedom of speech works both ways or nobody is free.

You will be able to keep your own doctor is another good one. How long do you wait now to get an appointment and wait to be seen? And now add another FIFTY MILLION patients and you believe the doctor is still going to see you all? Do you really believe that? Ask your doctor because I did mine and all three said”what a joke”!

Obama says from the left side of his mouth “illegals will not be giving health care” but does say from the other side of his mouth “illegal aliens” will be able to get health care? So those from Earth won’t get it if they are illegal but those from other what “Planets”will?

Your rights of choice are being torn from you and you allow yourself to be raped by those you are giving power to do so and others like me (and don’t assume I am Republican, right, left, liberal, conservative, etc.) will fight with every fiber of my being to stop that and I just do not understand why others blindly walk behind and don’t stand up for themselves?

Why if this is such a great plan has not one single Democrat signed the House Bill Introduced by the OK and LA Representatives ( Both of which are MD’s) commenting Government as well as the rest of us, to sign up for the same Health Care Plan, but not one, Zero, Zip, have put their name on it so you tell me why you would and why I should?

How will it bankrupt the country if it isn’t done RIGHT NOW? But it won’t bankrupt the country if it is done! It has been debated for a number of presidential terms and THE PEOPLE DON’T WANT IT BY CHOICE AND THEY DON’T WANT IT BY FORCED ON THEM EITHER.

How the bvottom line of Medicare, Medicare, SSI, Amtrak, USPS, etc,? Everything the government tries to “take care of” is breaking this country’s wallet and continues to make more cripples of those people that continue to want a free fish but not bother to learn how to fish. We are not making a way for those that can’t afford it be able to afford it, we are making is possible for more and more to pay more for less, so those with less get more! And that sounds like socialism, communism where a government has all the control and that’s nothing that I want for my country.

I will agree 1000% we must provide a way for those that are not able to care for their own needs not be forced to go without but to force the millions that do have a system that works for them (and most of them have it because they work) to change, is wrong. I don’t think that those that have made the choice to be a drug addict, a drunk, a criminal in prison, staggeringly obese, and others that care so little about themselves that they now can’t work and care for themselves but the rest of those that have not turned in this direction will have to carry that burden.

There are mentally ill people that live on the streets and CAN’T change their situation that can not get the help they need because we are paying for career criminals complete medical and dental work! Treating them for sexual transitioning, organ transplants for lifers! These things are true and are crazy but when it is “universal” how much larger will it be? If it is available to criminals now, how will it not be available to very person that wants it?

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1 Mike October 27, 2009 at 1:39 pm

Funny, but I wasn’t aware that my comments were in need of “moderation”.

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2 Sandy October 27, 2009 at 2:00 pm

Comments are only moderated the first 2 times any new person posts a comment, after that they go through automatically. This is to help avoid spam.

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3 Mike October 27, 2009 at 11:19 am

“Why can AARP talk and Humana is gagged?”

One simple reason, Cayenne: Humana is a Medicare contractor (profiting directly from our tax dollars) and is therefore subject to their contract with the federal government (the government being OUR representative). They may use their Medicare database to communicate with policy holders subject to approval by the Centers for Medicare and Medicade Services (CMS) – per their contract.

AARP is not a Medicare contractor. They license their name to insurance companies for purposes on marketing so-called Medi-gap coverage plans (Medicare supplemental plans) and are not subject to the same restrictions as Humana and other Medicare contractors because they do not receive funds directly from government programs (like Medicare). They communicate directly to their AARP members through their subscriber database and not a Medicare-generated database.

You may feel that AARP is in bed with the Obama administration and insurance companies, that is your right to believe so. AARP is an advocacy group (generating sizable revenue from their insurance licensing plans) and may not be advocating for the same things that you are advocating for. Humana and other Medicare contractors may appear to have their policy-holders at the forefront of their concerns, but let’s not forget that they, as for-profit business entities, have a stronger interest in their bottom line and will fight to protect their business interests whether it be in the best interest of the commonweal (and more pointedly, their policy-holders) or not. AARP operates as a different entity, but I would hold them to the same standard.

I still believe in that oft-ignored phrase from the Preamble to our Constitution, “… promote the general Welfare…”. During the current debate over “healthcare reform”, our system of political advise and consent may seem like a messy process, but it is our republican (small “r”) form of representative democracy in action.

I only ask that you fact-check your information (see below) as you discuss these issues. Thanks.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/sep/30/house-republicans/medicare-aarp-humana-politics/

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4 Chuck Nichols October 27, 2009 at 2:57 pm

Sir your responce is omitting the connection with the SEIU, the exact way AARP extracts funds from its members and then they have the nerve to call themselves NonProfit. The leadership make millions and the rest are manipulated through what you refer to as subscriber database. Legally speaking I am sure your correct. It is the lie of caring for their members that you simply do not mention. I have expierenced their hand over my mouth. They silence opposing positions by pulling down your thoughts,then if you persist they block you entirely. Why ? Because they do not want choices other than theirs being shown to folks who may not agree with the ones they want.
When Obama is done with them.They will be no more!
Chuck

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5 Mike October 28, 2009 at 11:32 pm

Chuck:

Nicely done mentioning SEIU and AARP in the same sentence. The only acronym missing was ACORN. It may be a tortuous path connecting all those dots, but I’m sure that someone in the conspiracy theory nation may be able to get the job done. Until then, speculation and smoke. I’ll dial down the snark now.

There is one thing with which you and I agree upon: “It is the lie of caring for their members that you simply do not mention.” I didn’t mention it because I hold no illusions that AARP cares anymore for its members than Humana does. They are both in business for the same reasons: more member subscribers = more revenue and political clout. The difference between the two is this: Humana makes business decisions impacting the health and well-being (and in many cases, the very lives) of millions of Americans every day, sometimes adversely. They have not taken the same professional oath to put their patients’ health concerns before their financial considerations that health providers (like myself) have. They are not accountable to professional licensing boards or to peer review, only to their stockholders (and the government, if they enter into contracts to provide Medicare coverage).

As for AARP’s non-profit status, again, they are not an insurance provider. But consider this: until they were acquired recently by WellPoint, Blue Cross/Blue Shield was legally a NON-PROFIT acting as a for-profit (and in many cases, acting just as badly as other for-profit insurers in regards to their policy holders). Leery of health rationing in the future? Too late, it already exists in our present health insurance non-system.

Chuck, as long as our markets stay free (but not so free that we have corporations too big to fail), and as long as AARP provides products and services that Americans want to buy, then AARP will continue to thrive – whether Obama occupies the White House or not.

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6 Sandy October 30, 2009 at 12:45 pm

Sadly, I have to agree with you! We should have disclosure laws to protect Senior Citizens who believe that AARP is their advocate and is not aware of their profit motive. The greater percentage of seniors believe that AARP is a non-profit organization. In many states, like mine (WA) we do not have much choice when it comes to Medigap so even though I hate AARP … I’m pretty much stuck with them! No wonders they don’t support our ability to purchase insurance across state lines. It’s like a monopoly!

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7 Bobbi October 27, 2009 at 3:18 pm

Mike,

You missed the point entirely.

The government can now tell private companies what they can communicate to their own customers?

When did this happen? Oh yes, when the government decided it wanted to *own* private enterprises.

The point is – the government has NO business telling *any* private enterprise that is operating legally in this country – what they can and cannot communicate to their own customers.

This administration is taking government control to new frightening heights.

*They* need to be gagged!

As an aside; I have cancelled my membership in AARP for many reasons, the above is just one of them.

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8 Sandy October 27, 2009 at 7:07 pm

United States Department of Human and Health Services, a taxpayer funded department and web site! http://www.hhs.gov/ The can spread propaganda, at the taxpayers expense but a technicality can be misused to suppress the voice of opposition?

“On the home page, in the right column there is a link with a graphic that says “State Your Support for health reform this year” – Many Americans are struggling to make ends meet as the cost of care goes up while others face losing insurance as business struggle to cover employees.” This link takes you to a form at: http://www.HealthReform.gov …. and surprise, there is no OPTION other to to send you message to “SHOW SUPPORT” …. The required fields are you name, zip code and Email address. There is no privacy statement on this form. Wonder how those names, email address and zip code identifying your location, will be used in the future. Is Obama Administration once again collecting illegal data for his own use to promote bills or future fund raising?

Senate Finance ranking member Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) is raising concerns that a Department of Health and Human Services Web site that urges visitors to send an e-mail to President Barack Obama praising his health care reform plan may violate rules against government-funded propaganda. He has sent a letter of concern to the DHHS requesting information as to why this “support form” in on the site, they have pretty much blown him off.

This seems to be how the liberals are working, put health care anywhere they can including other Government web sites with no option to submit your LACK of support. Heaven Help you if you disagre with this bill, you will either be ignored or punished this administration.

Again, AARP stands to generate billions of dollars of new income if this bill passes … a direct conflict of interest as a non-profit lobby who are supposed to represent Seniors however they are simply representing the profit motive of their FOR Profit company.

CHICAGO politics, thugs …. beat up your opposition no matter what the cost, just WIN!

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9 Darlene Knooihuizen October 29, 2009 at 6:54 pm

If I remember right The first Amendment is as follows:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise of speech, or of the press or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

I take this to mean the Government has violated Humana’s right to free speech. There is really no way to justifie the Government putting a gag order on any person or company.

We should also remember Humana is employed by citizens. Yes they are in the business of making money, they are also payed to take care of there clients needs. How can any company operate if they cannot inform there clients of the way new laws will affect them..

To say one company has rights while another for what ever reason dose not, is not unfair., it is Unconstitutional. Not only dose it violate the freedom of speech, the Government has no right to inter fear in a privet companies business, let alone to inter fear in a contract between Human and the people who hired them

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10 Bobbi October 3, 2009 at 5:59 pm

Good post Cayenne.

Not to mention the fact that if this health care bill passes, it will impact the YOUNG horribly. They will be forced to purchase health care they may or may not want, and then if they “opt out”, face fines. And then if they don’t pay the fines, face up to one year in jail and a $25,000 fine!

Isn’t that just special? If it’s such a great deal (this health care debacle), then why must it be MANDATORY???

If it’s such a great deal, why shove it down our throats? Why wouldn’t we line up to grab it?

Because it STINKS to high heaven, that’s why!!!

I talked with a young man today (23) who told me he was upset because his 80 year old grandma may be forced to “take the death pill” His words.

SAD.

Bobbi

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11 Cayenne October 4, 2009 at 3:05 am

Thank you for your comment on my post and participating on the site. WE THE PEOPLE must continue to educate ourselves as to what is going on and share this information with all those we come in contact with before this administration brings this country, our country to destruction because as my next post will show, I think that is the plan and that is the CHANGE he promised! God bless.

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